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JulmaHerra	2015-07-04 , 17:11
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Originally Posted by ZogG

Are you serious? So with that logic they can have as much delays as they want without telling? So after 2 years the Jolla will release tablet and it would be okay with you?

Um...no? Where did I say something like that? I said that it's not wise to announce something if one is not sure about it's content, tentative announcements would be both annoying and harmful. It shouldn't be too difficult: if they cannot at this point be sure that additional delay is needed, or that they definitely will not need one, there is no point in announcing anything into either direction. Announce only when you are absolutely sure, not before if it's in any way possible.

True, you can't compare 3 indie people making huge project with HW and SW parts all by themselves, including some soldering (both manual and automatic, but at own place) with company who have employees, $$$, 3rd parties involved(who help with drives and HW), outsourced production (they do not manufacture or assemble parts, do they?)

Well, if you truly insist that HW KB is really, truly and honestly as complex project than designing new Tablet, setting up manufacturing, QC, software etc. and at the same time updates to existing phones, then by all means it has to be like that. There's no other possibility. Please forgive me the ignorance of overestimating things needed to build functioning Tablet.

And did you get the product?
And again i don't get how writting once in 2 weeks/month post is spending money when they have people, whose actual job to do theat and they pay them salary, doesn't matter if they write post or not. And it doesn't involve developers. Even more, when one of co-founders finds time to give a TED-talk about community driven, opensource made by community tablet, which is mostly untrue as we see it now, spending money on that PR, but not to inform people who actually funded the project...

I'm waiting for it and I trust to have it. Unlike some other people, I wasn't that surprised that there was two months delay. They announced the delay, reasons behind it and we are now within month of expected delivery date, so next thing I'm waiting to hear is when they will deliver them, or if they will need another delay. So for me there is enough information for now. It would be completely different thing if we were in this same situation at the end of the month without hearing anything into either direction, but before that, I expect them to deliver information only when they are sure. It should be something like 2 or 3 weeks.

And do I interpret your view correctly, if I say that you really expect them to do nothing else in any other forum if they are not communicating with you everythin you want them to communicate?

And you know what, Jolla actually told they'll write those post and even specific post about display details. But i think it's top secret now for reason as problem is not solved, or they want to write post after tablet released? I think not. Then if post is not here and no info, maybe there is no screen and there would be no July release?

Possibly. Then again, what would you do with that information? Start as unofficial QC-operative? Or continue bashing Jolla for "they couldn't get even that right on first try"?

Are you that sure that there would be July release? And if not, would it might be sept if not nov, as there are upcomming holidays.

No, but as I have said repeatedly, I expect them to put all priority to get the delivery done in July. Instead of nice chit chat about things that doesn't do any difference in results.

I do understand you wanted to mention that you was on board of some company, but it's irrelevant.

I said I worked in company and I saw it's rise and fall to the brink of bankrupcy. I was also in the position to see the reasons behind that fall and what happened after that. Since then I have moved on. Of course you can dismiss it as irrelevant, as you can do just about everything that doesn't fit your opinions. But still, my experience is that excessive bean counting, reporting and all misplaced priorities, bureaucracy etc. that results because of it can easily kill a company even if there is nothing wrong with the product itself. Such things should always bring added value to core business, generating more income for the company and improving efficiency within company. Otherwise they have no value.

Stop thinking corporation, otherwise you get another android or even apple (afaik apple is based on *nix and use a lot of opensource projects, mostly bsd so they do not opensource anything, same as Jolla with their BSD licensed components. You see that they opensource parts they have due license and do not opensource parts they can, as in their model business like in Apple's one, opensourcing something is bad, they want mostly profit, and even play it as card "we are opensource lovers". But how long this game will continue? You can make profit with opensource products, i'm not asking 100% opensource, but at least something they can actually may use word "opensource" in all their cheap PRs)

I'm not an open source advocate in any way, even if I work with open source products daily. For me there is always a business side of things, also because I need to provide for my own family which means there has to be some business to be done even with those open source parts. So, as long as I'm not financially independent in a way that I wouldn't have to work at all if I don't feel like it, I won't submit to single ideology instead of pragmatism.

As for Jolla, I do understand that they will need to make some money somehow, or there will be no new products, no Sailfish or not much anything. Community will never be able to pull those through by itself (not least because of inherit trait of communities to fall towards infighting when difficult decisions have to be made). But of course if you see corporate side to be simply "bad", then I can only say that our views are different.

i would ask opposite, why Jolla related stuff here, if Jolla declined to use maemo as communication platform. And here is FOSS, linux fans community with opensource and hacking spirit, that was way before Jolla, and i was member way before Jolla. So is it me or Jolla in wrong place?

Well, I remember you being very opposed of idea of anything Jolla related being here in the first place. So they did their own platform on TJC. Reasons why Jolla related stuff is here is because Sailfish is a direct successor of Maemo/MeeGo projects, done by very same people who participated in Maemo/MeeGo development. If you wish, you can ask Maemo Council to remove and ban all discussion related to Jolla and Sailfish. Might be a quiet place after that though.