Sure, read that, and feeling addressed I am answering however not pretending to speak for the group.

Real refinements should happen under the hood and those refinements are the ones that will generate sales when performance and feature completeness are top notch out of the box.

A lot of effort went into the fine tuning of the Android sub system while they should be working to encourage not using Android at all (except for niche software)

Examples for need of refinement:

1) a basic functionality on every phone is to right click new called / missed call tel number in call history:

My old Sailfish phone app: call duration / send message / save as contact / delete

My new Sailfish 2.0 phone app: call duration / call (extra option:=refinement) / send message / copy / delete

Where is save as contact?

2nd Example:

The native Sailfish gallery with pictures in thumbnail mode offers a pull down menu with 1 option: "Select Pictures". Sounds promising doesn't it? Let's get productive with some batch action.
Then you start selecting pictures only to notice that the only 1 option available is: a trash can icon. How the..?


-> However when you click to focus on a single picture, there you are given options to mms, BT, share to 3rd party application like Jockr (Flickr). Normal expected functionality here.

-> In the email app you can select many pictures from gallery to email at once..

So it is possible to do stuff with more than one picture you select.

All in all a very inconsistent experience to say at least. It makes it hard to sell Sailfish as in "give it a week and you'll love it".
I have to be honest, after a year of usage I am still walking (swiping) into these "dead ends"

Jolla's developers should be using their Jolla phones more critically in real life instead of "studying" iPhones / Androids.

Being different is not enough when logical work flow is interrupted at many critical places and the new user is finally using Sailfish to launch his Android applications.

It needs to feel more intuitive and logical yet familiar at the same time.

Still waiting for refinement much more than a tablet its painful to see see much work going into adopting the basic interface in order to lower the learning curve for Android users all while ditching smart interface design concepts unneeded - cover swipe actions and event carousel are compatible - and still while displaying frighteningly high skills of creating inconsistent flow

example: 4 favorite apps row home screen teaser - how to reach them conveniently?!

For the above remarks about favorites, you need to be a Sailfish user to see this for yourself and surprise yourself : what were they thinking? I would feel more comfortable if this was clearly flagged "work in progress, will be completed in release" now. Somebody?

So far there is some refinement but with too little attention for enhancing the native Sailfish user experience and sadly I start to notice the first stains of pissing in the pants to stay warm in winter.



Dropping basic functionality like cover swipe actions sounds like a game of panic football not so much reason.

Some say it was needed for allowing the new carousel design, but it isn't if you compromise to not swipe from center of the display but only from the borders.

Unlinke MS Win 8.0, Jolla has not time and money to try and see what will sell this year.

But I agree, changes do in many cases sell better than refinements.

Take something already good that doesn't sell, go change this or that even not for the better, then call it "new and improved" and relaunch it.

There is one of the reasons for many of the changes marketed as refreshed interface.

Take umbrage, (thanks for the new vocabulary), then vote on together.jolla.com I am an early investor / backer. Not a potential sub 10K Rupee Intex "Aqua Fish" user that will be presented with a device that comes cheaper in purchase at the cost of forced compromise to a "complicated" interface that luckily also runs favorite Android apps.



If they don't give up on refining those native apps , complete their functionality and open the door for application makers to integrate popular communication protocols seamlessly and keep them up to even after Jolla is gone , that seems like the way forward.

I'd like to see a Sailfish phone / device that is not an empty shell w/o app store / internet connection in 3 years.

If there is a serious lack of something (like need for another OS) you can also compensate it with ideology.
Fairphone with their modular phone concept seems like a good partner for Jolla that should have nothing against allowing multi boot Android / Sailfish / other OS. How far are the talks and how fair is Sailfish compared to Google's OS?

Jolla already was the compromise. I wasn't expecting happiness out of the box, but now it is taking longer than expected.

I understand that they have decided to release something and intended to finish it later, but to many usability / security options are still needed to be implemented and fine-tuned in order to make people want and love native Sailfish.

Changing interface concepts for every commercial prospect and "fix" lack of native app functionality by offering superb Android support is not bringing Sailfish up front the agenda of the mobile world.

1) stay away from major interface "refinements" 2) include basic functionality to get rid of necessity "wait for somebody to write app / patch " 3) enhance security options 4) try to partner with high end hardware maker

When you get it, please torture the hell out of it and post feedback on together.jolla.com when you have time.