Thread: Alternative history: What if Jolla never existed?
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gerbick
2015-11-21 , 00:35
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Originally Posted by fk_lx View Post
No sense in commenting above.
Then refrain from saying such things in the near future.

What you are writing is not true - you can buy Tizen smartwatches in USA and Europe. Regarding the smartphones (probably that's what you had on mind) - Samsung Z3 will be launched in 11 European countries (btw. Russia is also in Europe if you haven't noticed yet).
Semantics. I was talking about handsets only. And "will be" is not the same as "has already happened". Go back, read what I said... where it's been released has been limited thus far. Present tense was used and should continue to be used.

Ubuntu Touch is not a failure, it steadily develops, step by step and devices in 2016 will have the long awaited convergence. They don't have financial troubles or employeers leaving en masse.
Losses in 2013 of $21 Million USD
Cashflow negative
Canonical IPO... still delayed.
Ubuntu Touch sales... 25k (unofficially)

There's other pointers that the demand for Ubuntu Touch is rather low compared to even the Tizen phones.

If you said RedHat, I'd agree. Canonical is still losing more money than gaining. Who knows about their engineers, but they do use libhybris on Ubuntu Touch. And that came from the engineer(s) at Jolla. Imagine that...

When it comes to smartphones, first Tizen product - Samsung Z1 was targeted at low-end, it was not meant to compete with top Galaxy models.
And the Tizen phones have sold less than the more expensive Galaxy phones. You have no point whatsoever. It sold less, and is not a full-blown success yet.

I'll give you an example of a much smaller team, consisting of 39 people that weren't the "best & brightest former Nokia/Meego employees" and achieved a lot.
And Nokia got sold to Microsoft, MeeGo is now dormant - all but community - and the folks that worked on Harmattan are part of the rockstar engineers at Jolla.

Meet Fairphone:
https://www.fairphone.com/about/
And it runs Android or (now) Jolla. Not "FairphoneOS" or anything they've built from the ground up like Sailfish. You've yet to deliver one example of a company that has, and I repeat: 1) launched a phone, 2) created a SDK, 3) produced an OS, 4) updated their OS, 5) produced libhybris (used by: Ubuntu Touch, WebOS and others) and 6) got tablets out in the hands of core developers.

Thanks for trying though.

Now, can we allow this thread on an open discussion about things that are interesting occur instead? Disruption doesn't mean rehashing the past ad nauseum. This is about what can be done presently and looking forward.

You really have no bit in this conversation worth noting.
 

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