Yep, and you and others still refuse to understand how Indiegogo crowdfunding works. It is not a purchase of any sort of product. Jolla were explicit, and specifically stated on their Indigogo campaign page(s) under the Availability & Delivery section: Disclaimer: Delivery of rewards/perks are subject to best efforts and not guaranteed. 1. So what? 2. So what? 3. So what? 4. So what? 5. Yep, these people who purchased from the webshop have a legitimate case for a refund - but that's nothing to do with Indiegogo.