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	nthn	2016-01-01 , 16:15
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Originally Posted by Dave999

It's not they same thing.

We have been over this atleast 245 times but why not take it one more time.

1. Jolla is an entity with a already in product in market.
2. jolla had around 200 employees, with there own webshop.
3. jolla sold the idea of a tablet.
4. jolla used stretch goals to give extra money.
5. jolla sold the tablet in their web shop.

given these points + the fact that jolla focued more on the OS rather then finish the tablet makes it close to a scam and jolla can hide behind the word Crowdfunding. But in reality its a fraud, scam, trick or ... or what every you like to call. Sure we invested and I dont really expect the money back but I will always hold it against jolla and the Management behind it.

I didn't say anything about the tablets being sold in the shop, anyone who ordered those should be refunded (or in fact they should be the first and if necessary only people to receive the actual device) as they actually ordered a product from a shop which they didn't receive. The people who sent money through Indiegogo did just that, send money. They did not buy a product, ever. Whether Jolla already had a product on the market before the campaign started makes no difference because they did not sell a product in the campaign, they asked for money to help make a tablet and IF they were successful in doing so, you would receive a tablet, of which the specifications would have depended on the amount of money you donated. They weren't successful, so nobody gets a tablet.

In fact, what is the point behind almost anything you said? What does it matter whether they had 'stretch goals' or not? Look, here are my points which clearly show why absolutely no wrong has been done:

1. the tablet is black
2. 'jolla' is Finnish for some kind of small boat
3. it was a campaign on Indiegogo and not on Kickstarter
4. Jolla now has less employees than it did before the campaign
5. it was rainy today in some parts of the world

If any of you (excluding those who paid for a tablet through the shop) actually had a case (that the campaign was a scam or whatever), you could and would sue Jolla to get your money back. But you don't, so you won't.