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Originally Posted by marxian View Post
You should play the ball, instead of the man. Instead of simply taking all of the criticism and shoving it in a pigeonhole marked 'Jolla haterz', you could explain why it is wrong. After all, the last line above undermines your argument, since if people wanted Jolla to fail, then they would also want those sailors to be out of a job.
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You take my words too literally. I am not saying that the arguments are wrong. I am just saying at the end that this is easy to criticize especially in the case of Jolla and to find problems with their past behavior.
To me, the current situation is a mix of amateurism, good willingness, doing marketing with poor budget and so on...

However I maintain that some appreciate the sailors, while are now banning Jolla from their shopping list. I guess that the idea is that they can work elsewhere

Originally Posted by marxian View Post
I don't think it's fair to place such a burden on those who have given Jolla money in good faith. A loyal football fan paying for their season ticket may criticise the players without having the skills of Lionel Messi.
Indeed and that is because by paying their season ticket, they have some sort of invested in the club and they hope for a return on investment. It may happen that the season will be crap and they will not get their tablet, err their pleasure fulfilled.

Originally Posted by marxian View Post
Perhaps it is true that some criticism has become less constructive, but that is inevitable while people become increasingly frustrated at the lack of straightforward communication from Jolla. They have basically been playing bulls!t bingo for the last few months over this tablet business.

Disappointment is relative to expectations. Jolla raised those expectations with talk of 'people powered', 'unlike' etc. Nobody expected a perfect product delivered exactly on time. They just don't like being blagged.
Again I agree that expectations were very high.
I would add that Jolla is trying to appear professional to their investors while they still fail at being that professional in true life (and that is for customers). But it is pretty hard to show off with failures when you ask for money
So you need to pretend that everything is alright while you struggle to keep the boat afloat.
Additionally I really believe there was a real chance that the tablet could have been delivered during 2015...

Originally Posted by marxian View Post
Not everybody can be so flippant about losing such money, and you should remember that the crowdfunding goal may not have been reached in the first place without the support of those people.
Yep that is why I wanted to mean a lot of 'me personally'
I am not bashing at people who are disappointed and need the money for something else. That is bad to lose money.
What I mean is that I am not considering that money as lost because for me, this is investment in a better life for a better future
and apparently I will even have something back, either a tablet or 'something else'. I do not know yet but soon...