Huh? Sorry Dave, but I'm not sure I follow. You want to see Jolla make it, but also break it? Is this either double talk or some version of a saying that isn't translating well? I think we mostly want Jolla to do well, that's why a lot of us supported the crowdfunding. And all of us that are upset, we'd like some resolution that makes sense to us one way or the other. Words like fraud, scam, et al... doesn't mask the fact that a lot of bigger companies have failed at crowdfunded projects. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make the anger less important. Just that it's a sad, sad outcome sometimes.