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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
First of all, TJC platform allows voting for every single topic there is. It's not like Jolla "let community vote on having offline maps and navigation" and were in any way bound to deliver it.
Yes. The problem however is one of expectation. If you've given free reign to the community to request a feature, and vote on it, but then you don't deliver it, the less charitable in the community will just say that you're not listening to the community.

Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
It is merely an indicator of what the community wishes and they have to decide if they are able to implement and deliver those or not, or if there is something more urgent. However, on exFAT debacle it was different as supporting bigger SD-cards was an option on crowdfunding, which resulted in question about the money used on licensing, which resulted in heated debate should it be paid or not. No-side was winning (unfortunately in quite big majority), so it was natural for them to listen to the community on that point.
Except they didn't listen to the community. They'd already decided. The voting was just an exercise in whitewashing.

But anyway, the problem with controversial referenda like that is it becomes an emotional decision from the uninformed vocal minority rather than a technical one and Jolla rigged the question to get the answer they wanted.

Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
But maybe they won't ask any longer but make the decisions by themselves in the future. Seems to be better option.
Agreed though they'll still get into problems announcing decisions and then going back on them as in SDxc support.


Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
Well, Nokia was not about to give them accesss to HERE maps, which was to be their major selling point in the Windows Phone venture. Nor they intended to create a Sailfish port of it.
The Sailfish maps app uses HERE Maps and there's other mapping solutions out there. The developers of the Jolla Map app moved on to using something else for their routing and maps anyway.

But that wasn't my point. My point was that in the N9 there were a whole bunch of proprietary apps and features that Jolla didn't have the code to. It was prescient of the MeeGo team to open source a lot of stuff before the project was canned but a lot of the N9's apps weren't. Jolla did well in writing new apps for Sailfish to REPLACE the closed source old Nokia apps before release. They also sort of got many of the N9's features like an event view, twitter integration, facebook integration and accounts plugins nearly there before release but then stopped and we had to wait until 2.0 for some of those.

Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
That is a question you'll have to find your own answer. Just remember that Nokia was in no way obligated to give Jolla anything. They might have done something for considerable amount of money, but I doubt Jolla ever had such money to throw in.
That wasn't what I was saying. The expectation from many, and it may be incorrect, was that we were getting a continuation of the N9 family line. In many ways we got that but we also lost some features, apps and capabilities which still haven't returned.


Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
Most likely they intended to create the scalability part later when it's time to launch another devices. Considering how immature Sailfish was on launch, I really don't think it would have been wise to throw in resources on such thing at that time.
Maybe. But It appears to have bit them later on and made it impossible to licence.



Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
My point is, that quite a bit of the bashing is completely disregarding situations and reasons that led to certain decisions. They are screwed, yes. But it does not mean that every suggestion is better than the choices they have made, especially when we are talking about things that require great deal of time, money and other resources. So pardon my scepticism.
Well we're all playing armchair project management here but it's sometimes quite fair to be critical without it being 'bashing' or trolling and it is mostly frustration at yet another failed linux smartphone attempt.