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gerbick
2016-02-17 , 16:43
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Originally Posted by billranton View Post
I've tried to. I think you may have misunderstood my initial statement...
You said that you needed to jailbreak the OS. I've asked why. You haven't supplied an answer yet. Do I need to quote your statement again?

which is why you think I'm changing direction.
At this point of time, I don't think that you can supply reasoning behind your original statement, so I have moved on.

All I can do is reiterate it.
I see. There's no need. I've seen your statement, asked why, haven't been answered once. That's what you think - you need to jailbreak it, I've had a BB10 device for a few years and have never had to do that once - and I'm talking about a dev device that I've had to reflash, repartition (don't ask), rework parts of where I stored temp files via the file system object. Permissions never got in the way.

Jailbreaking is a ridiculous status quo we seem to have arrived at where a user must use a security exploit to access certain parts of the operating system.
What parts?

The specifics of what those parts are and what you might do with them doesn't really matter
You brought it up... it does matter. Can you be more specific?

The fact is that you're locked out of something you own, and locked out of being a user of your device, which is against the very idea of an operating system.
Own a car? You have to break into your car's brain box. You own that. Where's the outrage? And if you modify that (I did that for my car) you void your warranty. And in most of those modifications, you make the car more efficient, but you're totally locked out normally. And that brain box has a full blown OS - some new ones are actually QNX based, but not BB10.

That's how I feel, and if you want to dismiss that as esoteric and trivial, then fine. It's enough for me to justify my position on these things.
I get it. That's how you learned, so thus it's the norm to you. I learned on AIX before I ever touched DOS, moved to Unix then Linux, then finally Windows 2000 - and have felt limited since. But since learning, they're all tools and I can do my daily operations easily. Since then, I don't need to do the kernel stuff - save my servers - any longer.

It's "nice to have" not "need to have" for me. But it's important to you; I get that. But on a handset, I want it to be able to receive and make a phone call in the least. If I tinker with my handset, miss a business phone call... that counters its uses. And if I need to code or tinker with FSO, I can do so via the Sailfish SDK without losing my ability to answer a call.

I learned to code by poking around inside the home computers of the eighties, seeing how they worked and breaking them. I fear that the next generation won't be able to.
We share this and I agree. But sadly, folks have traded convenience for true knowledge. Walled gardens instead of open pastures. The older I get, the more I agree with Richard Stallman (never thought I'd say that).

Browsers are applications, and are not part of the operating system!
No **** Sherlock. But in the end, after I've asked and asked... I had to get you to approach something.

Btw, if we're really discussing operating systems, we're really talking about Mer.
I agree. Stated that permissions and whatnot were based on Mer. Zypper vs. pkcon was also brought up. I've tried to talk about the OS, to get you to talk about the OS limitations that require jailbreak. It just hasn't happened yet.

There's not a lot to Sailfish in the OS context that isn't Mer, unless you want to discuss the oddness of Silica (which I won't disagree with).
I still want to know why do I need to jailbreak BB10.
 

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