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Originally Posted by ibins View Post
Searching for solutions or compromises was my intention, not having a shiny or "cool" display without bezel. A phablet with keyboard will be no use for me, because I wouldn't carry around such an uncomfortable thing with me all the time. For this purpuse subnotebooks exist :-)
I understand, I meant no offense in my previous post. I agree with you that 5.5" is huge and that the Jolla (not to mention the Jolla C) is already uncomfortable in trousers' pockets. Adding a keyboard to that won't help. The thing is, the 5.5" is not up to discussion because of the availability of parts for what Chen has in mind. I was one of those who discussed the screen size and overall form factor a few weeks ago when nothing but the existence of the project itself was announced, and I clearly would vote for a 4.5" display if that was an option. Even Chen said that he understands that some would want a more compact phone, but he added that this is not an option for this iteration so the only way to make it happen is to agree on some trade-offs. Screen size is one of those. It's unfortunate but it's the best we got and the device will be far beyond my expectations even with this kind of bulky screen. I agree on this trade-off.

Reducing the overall size of the phone around the screen is a good idea, but in my opinion it brings more costs and drawbacks than solutions, as you already pointed out in your initial post. Issues range from the cost and difficulty of conceiving this to the move of speakers on the back (and all the issues that this will in turn bring, meaning Chen would need to come up with a solution for each of them while big manufacturers with resources did not even try), the disappearance of the front camera, or the need to hold the phone by the keyboard... It's just too much complication with no existing solution to date on the market for just offsetting the phablet size. The device will still be smaller than a Pyra, it will still be a phone form factor, just a big one. Although I think it's good to remind and point out that the final size will be an important characteristic in itself, I see no way to drastically change it without just reducing the screen size, which Chen made it clear is not possible as of now.

We should keep the hype up and make this device successful instead of overemphasizing (not referring to anyone in particular here Ibins, no worries) the characteristics that we know cannot be improved for reasons out of Chen's control. And so far that's mainly (only?) the screen size according to this thread. We here tend to prefer smaller screens since there will already be a keyboard and no need for a virtual keyboard on screen, but this is not something a slight price increase would make possible (according to Chen). In the end let's focus on the many bright sides, and if the device is big, well, we should remember that millions of people do buy 5.5" phones nowadays (admittedly without the extra thickness of a keyboard).

Anyway, thank you for your elaborate answer and understanding the intent of my post. Again I think the idea of reducing the bezel is noble, but ultimately brings too many issues to compensate the initial one.

To be honest, I'm so eagerly looking forward to seeing this device become real that I'm checking TMO several times a day in hope that an update has been posted, while I was only visiting weekly before. The expression I can't wait rarely made so much sense.

Last edited by Kabouik; 2017-07-31 at 01:27.
 

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