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#38
there is no hostility..
and there is no fight..

I have seen every argument pro and con over the years ...
and I have either said or heard every legitimate logical rebuttal there is..

In fact I said "to a great degree I agree.."with immi..
I do not fully or totally or absolutely agree with the opinion of abandonment of the neo project..
That shouldn't quite be up to us ..that kind of decision should first come from the project team ....

In fact ordinarily I would agree that os and device projects are great and not mutually exclusive..

the only hindrance I see to it is this:

every time a project that money has been dumped into here..
or even actual device produced ..
it either
A- falls apart before final product is achieved
or
B- succeeds... yet falls apart a different way through lack of foresight and follow through.. where the continued support and advancement from the finished product wasn't thought out..and hence abandoned...

This community has seen a lot of both ...from small enterprise and very large corp.
and it damages the community with every fail.
The list of members here who have commented on just that fact ..is long.
The difference with the neo project is..
the neo project hasn't just upped and folded...
Like all of them..

it hasn't stopped..
it goes into limbo for half a year or year ...quasi comes back ...to repeat the process...over again..
I cannot say that that makes it easier on people ..and I refer to everyone ...team or supporters or everyone else in the community...

A typical cycle that runs here is....
1 - project starts...
2 - project succeeds ...(but fails later with support / advancements)
or
2.1 - project fails...
3- time elapses ...
4- wounds heal...we get our feet back underneath us...get our second wind..
5- new different project announced..
6- we are ready to throw our best at it again.
7- rinse ...
8- repeat..

with the neo there has been no downtime to recover ...
it is an always present limbo

Bad enough it is when a project brings hope and doesn't make it...
That is hard...yup..but it is understandable...

But a project that never ever finishes...but keeps going ...with no end in sight..
That isn't better on the community psyche .

some would say that the damage done is by saying something to trouble the waters casting doubt ...that the Neo project should be given a limitless chance..
the flip side of this coin is that ...
the continuance of having a project never conclude is even more damaging...with far reaching ramifications to the community support of (completely un-associated) other projects in the future.

The neo has/had a right to take it's best shot and do it's best..
The neo project does not have a mandate to leave everyone in a state of limbo hampering the next project , setting future projects back, and damaging community belief in the furtherance of future projects ..

I cannot speak for others...
But this never ending neo has definitely impacted my immediate future backing of any project for a long time to come.
If someone came up with a great device right now and asked for backing...even if it was 200% foolproof and failproof..
I wouldn't. ...Most likely never again
If someone came up with a device and said it is done and for sale...
I still may not rise to it .

That is the collective impact of past project fails..
and the never ending current one.
on me...

Others may feel the same or differently ..

But really..the impact here goes beyond ..just ...
"support" or "don't"...

the long term impact on the community ..
is still playing out with this no-end-in-sight "neo dynamic"...
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