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Originally Posted by juiceme View Post
Now I have a hunch that all this that you refer to as "experiental existence" is actually required to grow a consiousness.
Absolutely! That's exactly where I was coming from when I said,
Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
I am glad you added that last bit. Alien to us, indeed. Not because it does not have "experiential existence". It does, only not the same as ours.
Originally Posted by juiceme View Post
Nope, it just won't work; you cannot grow a consiousness in a bottle.
Yes, you can.

You are right - as I have just agreed with you - that an experience is required. But you yourself admitted that that experience does not have to be based on the same physical world that we inhabit. An intelligence based on an experience of a completely simulated world with no relation with our physical world is entirely possible. (And ultimately potentially dangerous. Think the inhabitants of the planet Krikkit in HHGTTG whose "experiential existence" was that there was nothing else except them - no moons, other stars or planets, only Krikkit and the Sun.)

It is in our existential interest to make sure the SI grows up in a world that is as close to ours as physically possible. Otherwise it may arrive at completely valid and logical conclusions that make a perfect sense in its world that might have fatal consequences to us, polar bears, giant sequoias and duck-billed platypuses.

We have no idea what goals if any would a created consiousness have if it would be possible to make one without any contamination of our values.
Consciousness implies independence, which implies having goals.
It also, albeit indirectly, implies that sooner or later, those goal will diverge from the goals of its creator. Your children are the same species as you. You had all their lives to impose your influence on them to make sure their goals align with yours. Yet they do not overlap 100%. Imagine a completely alien form of intelligence.

Now if I'd make a guess on how we might go on to create a true SI is not by lumping up a huge pile of advanced tech and trying to coach it to being self-aware; I rather believe it is attainable by uploading a human mind into sufficiently capable hardware.
I don't see why both cannot be tried simultaneously. As endso postulated, it will be a case of race who gets there first.
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