i guess it depends on what one define as a ecosystem. i think its just funny that in this day and age, when even osx runs on x86, apple still insist on tying the os to "their" hardware. sorry that i wasnt clear. im ok with people using something or other in the work environment. but when there is no work related reason to choose product x over product y, and product x even has a more restricted feature set, it screams fashion to me. people pirating photoshop to do silly filter combos, when they could just have downloaded gimp. using ms word to write something when even the notepad app that comes with windows would do. thats the kind of stuff that im talking about. and i dont have a problem with it either. its just that as of the day apple launched the iphone, its been iphone killer x y z and so on poping out of the woodwork. its as if the mobile phone with music player didnt exist before the iphone showed up. same thing it was with the ipod, only that when the first one of those showed up, they really did have an edge on the other products of the time. but then i also keep saying that the iphone is a product of the us mobile phone market. at least thats the impression im left with when people talk about special tethering plans needed to use their phone as a internet connection of their laptop or other devices. btw, what was that quite about freedom and safety again? oh, and to give one more indication of the kind of person i am. i would have much rather seen w3c go with ogg video and audio as default web format. no matter how much worse the video part is then other codecs out there.