oh, it isn't a deb, its a tarball with a .deb extension so I can attach it to the post. I still have not figured out how to make the deb file. I am working on that however. Your right about user/games, sorry I meant to move that there before I handed it out to anyone... oh bother. Next version I am looking for someplace to post it now, my web server is on a SLOW dsl line and I don't think it can take the strain of hosting this. So as soon as I find another I will just put it there and repost a link.. Thanks for the info -John