The amount of hate by the NIT crowd, is ... more disturbing to me than the amount of loyalism by the Apple crowd.

I have an iphone and an n800. I used to have a 770, and might upgrade to a n810 in the future. The two devices overlap in some features, but I just use them for different purposes.

There is a lot of misinformation and just .. general spitefulness by the NIT guys / gals in this thread and I don't get why.

The thing that is really strange is this absurd aversion to count a jailbroken iphone. This is a community that has "haceker edition" firmware and KDE applications running on their devices, but the thought of jailbreaking a device and being outside of Apple compliance (forgetting the fact you can simply reflash to a standard firmware for service if needed) seems to be the most foreign and inappropriate act ever. Seriously? I thought this was a group of people that took their clocks / tvs / video game systems apart to figure out how it works. I thought this was a group of people that installed linux on everything (including the clock, tv, and video game system) so they can mess around, and all of a sudden jailbreaking a phone is "dangerous" and shouldn't be done because it's outside EULA? Heck 90% of the software through maemo and other repositories tell me that anything I try to install may brick my device, good luck!!

That sort of fear and pointing fingers at the need to jailbreak an iphone / touch to add (I agree) hundreds of applications seems silly and trite, to be honest.

A lot of the commentary here sounds like it comes from people who have read too many blogs, and haven't coughed up $250 to just play with one for a month.

If you do, you will find that yes, the iphone (even jailbroken) is more stable as a whole than OS2008. I do not have frequent crashes, but slowdowns during multi tasking do happen and even when nothing is running the OS seems to take its time.

The device can play music while doing other tasks, and email actually polls in the background. There are other third party apps (jailbroken) that run in the background, so multitasking is possible on the iphone / touch.

Is it a better internet tablet? For me, no. The screen is too small and the media capabilities too limited to really push the N800. For others though, yes I can definitely see why they would like it.

I think a lot of these threads and the subsequent backlash is from the fact that no one really thinks Apple was trying to directly go after the NIT. This "non try" came REALLY close to being a direct competitor, and for all the years many of the people here and around the world have been supportive and loyal to a group of devices that saw real innovation come at a crawl (look at the phones released from Nokia around the same time as the 770 and look at the phones released from Nokia around the N810 and tell me this project isn't a back burner "we'll get around to it" project) take some slight offense to being loyal to something that is having problems competing with a product that is not even directly in its niche.

I still like my n800. My geekier friends have moved on, and depending on these new Ubuntu MIDs I might as well, but instead of downgrading ever topic (I agree there are too many of these) that involve the iphone / touch into a slanderous war where you show you actually know less about the device than you thought you did. Why not just point out the obvious advantages of the NIT. If that's not what they are here for, then wish them well and move on. No one is forcing you to reply.