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Originally Posted by mwiktowy View Post
I am not so sure that it is *that* ridiculous and irrelevant.

Both (wireless bandwidth and water) are rivalrous goods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivalrous

The difference is that one (water) is consumable whereas the other (wireless bandwidth) is not (unless you have a bandwidth cap) which makes it a poor analogy.

A better one might be a your neighbour's shovel laying on the property line. If you use it to dig a hole in your yard and then lay it back on the property line, is that morally/legally wrong? If you have good relations with your neighbour, it might not be an issue at all. If you have crappy relations then the neighbours are likely to call the cops on your for stealing their shovel before even asking for it back.

Also, you could also go dig a hole somewhere that affects your neighbour or dump your dirt on their land. So how you use that tool impacts the situation greatly.

I think if people are concerned about their bandwidth/shovels (and how it is used), they should keep their bandwidth/shovels in a locked WPA/toolshed. If they are leaving bandwidth/shovels laying around, they should expect trouble or be able to deal with it maturely. Luckily it is a lot harder to hurt yourself with bandwidth than with shovels or you could sue the neighbours for hurting yourself with their unsecured goods.
Actually that isn't a better analogy. It isn't useful at all in this context. In fact most analogies used to support theft of wifi (or any other phrase that makes people more comfortable) completely fail, because they quite simply describe "comparative" circumstances that really aren't analogous. That includes water/wifi, because water is a part of The Commons (commercialization aside) and wifi is not-- UNLESS it is specifically advertised as such (ie, municipal wifi). I'm sure a sufficient degree of hair-splitting can provide the appearance of robust counterargument, but in the end it's nothing more than rank rationalization in defiance of logic and law.

Bottom line:

-yes, people SHOULD lock their wifi unless they deliberately choose to share
-no, unlocked wifi is NOT de facto "there for the taking" unless consent, explicit or implicit, is provided.

That's it in a nutshell. Arguments to the contary tend to be founded on illogic borne of a desire to defend a generally untenable position.

EDIT: it's possible, based on what Benson just said, that I misinterpreted the application of mwiktowy's analogy. On further reflection it does appear he was actually agreeing with the "no foul, no harm" postings I made earlier. If so I humbly apologize to mwiktowy.
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