done all that...twice...gonna do a reboot in between for good measure only repos enabled are the one that install canola none of the media players are working...i already did a useless thread....well ill try it all again...ev thoug i have searched is there any known application that can cause this well this gorram thing is getting useless...broke the app manager...well thanks for the help...gotta go to work...ill tinker with it later...