Don't make me say it...

I like turtles.

Actually, in skimming through this circle jerk of a discussion, to all the Apple fanboys who think that Apple software is the "holy grail" - get real. Apple is exactly what the "cognescenti" (read: reactionaries) accused Microsoft of in the 90s - a profit-obsessed, marketing driven "tech company" that tries it's level best at every turn to lock consumers into their product line. Their entire business model is about controlling what people can purchase to run on their hardware.. Their BS encoding of sound files via iTunes is a freaking joke, their BS encoding of Quicktime movie files... not even worth discussing. There is nothing they have ever done software wise that is not intended to direct the user to proprietary tools. They are in fact worse in every way than Microsoft ever was.

As for Apple hardware - meh. Whatever.