@prk60091 are you implying that the ipod will stop evolving? taht just seems silly to me look at where it started at its not a growing technology, it is the bleeding edge there of (atelast of pmps) I mean, there are other platforms with larger screens, more features and so forth, but none with half of the marketing of the ipod one point jobs made that I found very interesting, and in my opinion sort of nullifies your tero argument, over 90% of the cars in teh united states can now interface directly with the ipod manufacturers are copying the ipod, not the n800, not the irivier or anythign else it is the top dog, and it is what pushes technology forward, as far as mass acceptance maemo will grow andI love the commuity, but short of them stopping the manufacturing of the touch, it will sell, and sell alot no matter what if it gets too weird, they will stop that generation and come up with a new weirder one