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Originally Posted by Jerome View Post
But for this you cannot sue: the contracts always say "up to 384 Kbits/s". Maybe you should read the legalize of typical data contracts: they offer you web access at speeds around DSL. Everything else is a gray zone. You can sue if you don't get any service (like TA-t3) or even clearly unacceptable quality (e.g. very slow). You can't if you don't get top service all the time, or if some applications either unusual or explicitly prohibited (voip) do not work. That is the basic reality in plain English.

I mean: it is quite interesting to discuss technicalities, but as far as the tablet is concerned, it all ends up the same: a tablet with voip over hsdpa is not a phone replacement. Either because the provider will block it (as they write in their contracts already) or because it will not work in practice when the cell gets busy (because lag increases to unacceptable levels).

Now we do not know how the cell part will be in the next tablet, but there are two choices:
-either it will be usable as a phone (not over data, but directly as a phone) and we basically have an iPhone competitor
-or it will be data only and we have an equivalent to current offers for the eeepc with an usb 3G modem bundle.

Neither one of these offers is very appealing to me at present, but there is certainly a market for them. But it is not a revolutionary concept as the first tablet was.
Thank you for your valuable contributions in this thread, Jerome.

I welcome you to contribute to the ItT Data plans Wiki entry.

It saddens me you don't appear to agree telcos don't like VoIP because it hurts their core business, but OK. I still believe its important how much data is used for which purpose, and I do see that the upload might be an issue here.

Frankly, I do find 24/7 Internet connectivity revolutionary on such a small device although competitors are also providing this or about to provide. The NIT will be 'revolutionary' because Nokia innovates on many levels; also on software level.

As said in the article the cell is probably data only.

There are data plans which don't forbid VoIP (usually the 'laptop' data plans). Maybe not in Germany though.

Just like there are data plans which don't have a FUP and won't close you after you burned X GB. Again, perhaps not in Germany.

Its unwise to not read your contract before you sign it, and there might be contracts which do guarantee certain speeds instead of best effort (again, perhaps not in Germany). If you'd be interested in such I'd suggest to look at contracts aimed at businesses where you pay'd and get service similar to if you'd buy a business DSL contract. Whether these are worth it? Good question.

There are also ways to work around a SIP ban (from contract, or technically limited by blocking it or by lowering its priority using QoS). For example, one can use SSL, SSH, RDP, and other protocols to work around this. WiMAX is nice in this sense because it allow one to prioritze traffic based on protocols and it supports prioritizing SIP but a business also active as normal telco might actually give it lower priority...

If SIP wouldn't work well on N900 I'd just buy a Openmoko phone besides my N900, and would still at least try to use the N900 for international calls.
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