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The problem is that even if I have something listed as a dependency in the deb control file which is only visible in red pill, I could not get it to be pulled in automatically.

If you can come up with a meta-package (and instructions) that just has it as a dependency for bluez-utils-test and will work in blue pill I would like to see it and would really prefer to use that instead. I tried. I can't figure it out. All I get is broken dependencies (Problems tab).

Another problem is if the other repositories aren't in the list, then even apt-get can't install the package.

The choice of user/* or somethingelse/* might be arbitrary. I see plenty of libraries and deep-in-the OS stuff in blue pill mode. Things which aren't top level user applications. There are lots of useful utilities only visible in red-pill (mostly console, but that doesn't make them libraries, developer, or system threatening - and I have to read how-to-use for the most hildonized applications just as much as traceroute).

So there was some not very well defined line between user and developer and tool/sdk/utility, a bunch of repositories, most need to be manually added anyway, each being a kludge because something is on the wrong side of that line.

I don't have any of these troubles (nor do the people who aren't sophisticated) under Ubuntu. There's the maintained packages, then there's universe, and no multiple flavors of depositories (though there are different releases - Ibex is still beta so some things in there won't be in Heron or the release). There's no red-pill mode to make packages visible (but not backed up, or otherwise silently deprecated). And the package managers actually work well and fast.

So, no I don't understand, or I do understand but it doesn't really make sense. Other than when something gets "red-pill"-ed, it is in a limbo - it won't be community maintained or available, and it will never be visible except in a very broken fashion in red-pill mode.

If you have a clear explanation on why something is blue pill or red pill (based on what is actually there in each mode, not based on how things should be), I would like to hear it.
 

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