Don't you think that no matter how upset they were at the time, most 770 users welcomed the new software and hardware since they marked clear steps forward? Fremantle is a bigger step forward and... well, we can continue this discussion when a new device with Maemo inside is announced.

If you do the math, we are talking about a process of several months between the first and final Fremantle releases. For what we know already today, Fremantle is much more open than Mistral/Gregale were at their time. Also, the Maemo community is now much wider, with a deeper knowledge of the platform, with some dedicated members and several instruments of collaboration and decision. No matter what Maemo SW does with Diablo and Fremantle, the situation is radically different than in January 2007.

Perhaps the Maemo Variants objective sounds vague for many of the community members that actually would benfit from them. Perhaps we could work more on them instead of playing tennis in the forums. It's a wiki and you are welcome to get into details as much as you will. From the Maemo SW side is not vague at all: implies certain infrastructure and support, opening and relicensing components, and we are working in all this right now.

About the rest of your points and many of the points made by others in this discussion:

- When the first Fremantle release comes we can discuss on top of real code (very soon). Before that we are going to probably repeat ourselves from our current positions.

- When the Fremantle beta release comes we can discuss on top of a full feature description that will allow you to understand the amount of work Fremantle requires. We can then discuss how feasible/useful would have been to backport those features and fixes to Diablo as well.

- When a new device with Maemo inside is announced we can revisit all this discussion since then everybody will have their opinions based on public knowledge. Now you have to base your arguments in assumptions, which is not the best foundation for a fruitful debate.