Thread: "Fixed in Fremantle"
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gerbick
2008-12-01 , 01:00
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
I'm not the one that started in on the personal attacks.
Agreed. But your "that's the way it is" tone just didn't rub me the right way either.

No, it's not, so please don't try to make it about me.
I already knew that. I hope you do as well.
My point was, complaining here (ranting, more like) isn't productive to your ends. Either you send your message, hopefully in a rational and polite way, where Nokia's likely to hear it (phone them, email them, mail them, whatever) or you step up to the challenge (and the offer) and get to work. Anything else is just useless, unproductive venting.
I would not call it unproductive when this site is very visible to Nokia. If it were more obscure, like the aforementioned Amazon.com rants that continuously go on; then I'd agree.

But we both know that Nokia lurks this site. Not as extensive as most would like to think; however this is a place where the commonality of the ownership reigns supreme. However; the problem is that most do not see this site as a place to solve problems as much as this is the place to come when you want information, commiserate and above all find out a few things that you just will never find in a manual.

Or to follow what Fanoush is doing now and next. That's why I came here; truth be told. So with that admission, my reason for being here is more niche than the norm.

Then help the community remove the barriers to Maemo variants and get Fremantle running on the current generation of hardware.
It starts with finding out if you are alone in that regard. Read the thread... if something were started now, I'm sure people will start to support that endeavor. And to think... it all started with one disgruntled post.

The point everybody here seems so desperately trying to ignore is that Nokia's movement towards openness is finally getting us to where we're not beholden to them to provide support for legacy hardware. We're no longer tied to a specific kernel because of closed drivers, and no longer stuck on a specific architecture by closed-source applications and packages. We have the ability and the tools to provide our own support. So instead of uselessly ranting and bickering, why don't we step up and make it happen—step up, accept Nokia's offer, find roadblocks so they can remove them, and work together—as a community—to put together a kickass platform.
We. If you were a Nokia employee, I'd believe what you said. I don't think that you fully represent the forum. I know that I do not.

There is no we in "disgruntled". There is no excuse to have, in my case, a 770 and N810 - which I had the 770 for under a year before it was sent to Nokia 8 times. The N810, I've not had for even a year, and I'm now looking at the same situation as my 770; it feels the same at least that I will not be supported.

That's two years, two devices, some $600.00 USD that's being thrown away because... well, "We have a better platform..." mantra from Nokia. I can't keep wasting like that, putting LCD's into a landfill. Or spending a lot of money only to find my options with other devices is... well, just that much better in terms of long-term support. And trade-ins... a joke. If I see incentives that match my devotion to these devices, I'll bite. So far, definitely not the case.

That's why I turn to this community.

Seriously. That's what is being overlooked. Owners will start to feel shafted if there is not a community to support the devices after they're "run their course"... albeit in this case, very short runs.

The fact that rants happen; get over it. I develop software - Adobe Flex based mostly - and I get the weirdest requests and/or complaints. I just deal with it.

I just am glad that the Adobe Flex community supports me when I rant, rave, commiserate, fuss at Adobe - I have a nigh-feud with two developers, a friendly one though - or laugh at how my fixes are always upcoming.

To me, this is the same. And I'd be real upset if I got a blanket statement of "just deal with it". I'd be livid because I know how much I've invested and that doesn't make me feel good at all.

My two cents ya'll