@Textrat: Anyway, many of us feel similarly about the n8x0 platform. Nicely said. It's that damn keyboard, isn't it? The funny thing is, I would probably own an n810 if they just left some kind of d-pad on the front. That's my show-stopper. I never would have thought I was that picky... @Nokia: My instincts tell me they're going to hit a home run with the hardware refresh (d-pad out ). But I'm tired of my instincts and I'm tired of their finessing-the-market mumbo-jumbo.