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Thanks, Texrat, for pushing ragnar on this. Nothing in your NDA says you can't bark at the heels of those in the know to get them to justify themselves ;-)

Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
...That assumes that there is a focus element on screen. Look at the iPhone UI, for instance. There is no focus element there. For a proper touch UI, you shouldn't have a focus element.... Another style is to have no focus on lists and menus: first click always selects whatever you click. But you can't really mix these styles together very well... If you have no focus, then you cannot do UI's like that, but must set the commands differently... It makes good sense for HW keys, but not really for touch screens.

The more you try to stick on to hard key based navigation, the less you can optimize for touch UI's. It's really that simple, fortunately or unfortunately.
Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
ragnar, you're working awfully hard to argue against something that many users highly desire. Why?
It is fairly obvious to me; the new Maemo5 device is going to follow in Apple's glorious footsteps and it will be a nokiaTouch; it isn't going to have any way to set "focus" on an element.

Originally Posted by qgil View Post
Do you realize that no matter who 'wins' here, device products are designed by other teams taking into account many other considerations? ... ragnar is basically saying that the Maemo platform needs to be prepared to support a UI without a hardware D-Pad. Then the device programs willing to use Maemo can decide. As they could decide to have lock screen key or not, camera button or not and etc.
Quim is, as always, doing his best to smooth-over and de-emphasize here; but I think he's basically agreeing with me here


I'm with Naranek here, however. The new processor is going to have the power to run OpenOffice well, so I hope they don't mangle the UI so badly that OOo can't even be used.

Originally Posted by Naranek View Post
I think that this would be a great way to create the UI because it would at the same time allow for
-great touch UI built by Nokia AND
-continued easy porting of open source software

I fear that if the focus elements are removed from UI, it will make porting applications that rely on them difficult. Of course I'm not a developer so this might not actually be a problem.
All I can say is -- if you're taking away my HW keys because the iPhone doesn't have them, you'd better throw in an accelerometer instead!

Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
But how far does naysaying get a product? How far does a "can't do" attitude go?
Seems to be working for Nokia so far

Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
...so far all I've seen are protests of how difficult something might be. I'll be swayed by data and sound logic, but not by impassioned opinion-- at least not in a case where functionality is being removed.
Hear, hear!
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