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	GeneralAntilles	2009-01-13 , 00:01
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Originally Posted by danramos

It does seem irrelevant if you put it that way, but it probably became part of the conversation when it was pointed out that Nokia's decisions and posturing is becoming an impediment to attracting participation in open source directed at the maemo platform.

(I hesitate to encourage more off-topic discussion here, but a separate thread is likely to lead only to more vitriol and little that could be called productive.)

What decisions, exactly? What "posturing"? Nokia certainly isn't there yet, but they've made great strides from where they started, and these things take time

Far from being helpful and productive, the angrier discussions just serve to widen the divide between the community and its goals and Nokia, and hurting the people who are already on our side (you know, the ones who take time out from their busy schedules to participate in discussions like these).

It may make us feel better spend so much time ranting and raving about how much at fault Nokia is, but in the end it's counter-productive to our real goals.

Originally Posted by danramos

It seems, from my reading, as if it turned from a rallying 'how?' to a more boggled 'how?' It seems to have had the effect of questioning whether everyone's time and efforts are going to be worthwhile. Eiffel's comments appear to strike the nail on the head with his comments. Mind you, I'm also cynical by nature and I'm very happy when I'm proven wrong--but it seems as if that doesn't often happen. How do you or anyone else respond to that?

Define "it" for me. What has questioned the value of everyone's time and efforts? Quim's post? I don't see it.

Eiffel's comments address a separate issue that isn't on-topic here.

Originally Posted by danramos

I'm not sure that I agree. Can you explain the problem that this illustrates? Are you suggesting that Nokia is completely irrelevant?

Of course not, nothing's that black and white.

Nokia is a significant part of the community, but every one of the community's problems doesn't immediately come back to Nokia, its behaviours, and its decisions. Pretending that it's all Nokia's fault and willfully ignoring our own issues doesn't help us to build a stronger community.

Originally Posted by danramos

What can you suggest to get people more focused on the applications for maemo and less on Nokia's involvement?

Being mindful of what's on- and off-topic here. Perhaps johnx's wiki page will also help.

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