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	GeneralAntilles	2009-03-14 , 19:09
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Originally Posted by ernia

i think extra for maemo is almost empty, search the forum for "where the f*** can i find xxx" and make yourself an opinion, if you can without thinking of being Maemo Community Council chair, wathever it means.

Alright, so let's start by setting aside the personal attacks. They're neither useful nor productive. Thanks.

First, Extras is not empty. Many new packages are added to Extras every week and there are many more existing packages receiving frequent updates. Just take a look at the autobuilder mailing list.

Second, the bit about people not being able to find anything is exactly why I want to see as many packages as possible put into Extras, so users don't have to hunt around for software and random 3rd party repositories disappearing from this reality doesn't cause the software users rely on to disappear as well.

Originally Posted by ernia

i bought an n810 because i thought it was open source and then i find out that i can't have a kernel upgrade because of closed parts of hardware drivers, and then i'm obliged to stick with maemo, not being a programmer.

I'm not sure how this relates to Extras and maemo.org, but what closed drivers? Open source WiFi drivers are available and you're certainly not stuck on an old kernel (more importantly, if you're not able to switch to something other than Maemo—Mer and Deblet are pretty easy, really—why do you want a new kernel?).

Originally Posted by ernia

so nokia is telling me that i can have a full opensource device with rx51. i'm not gonna take it . . .

Alright, fair enough, it's your prerogative as a consumer to decide where you want to spend your money, but, again, I'm not sure how this relates to Extras.

Originally Posted by ernia

. . . and i don't like that you pontificate about a 3rd repository against a man who's stealing time to his family to try to add a decent web-browser to an operating system without being paid.

None of the people in this discussion are getting paid to do what they do. We're all volunteers who are trying to make things better for users like you (even if those users don't seem to understand the how or the why of it).

Originally Posted by ernia

i'm a user, not you, and i decide if something is user hostile.

Actually, I, too, am a user. I own a use several tablets day-to-day, which is one of the selfish reasons why I'd like to see the Maemo infrastructure improved.

Originally Posted by ernia

3rd parts repository would be user-hostile if i could hope to find useful apps in extras as i find in a brand-new installed diablo.

Of course you wont find many applications on a brand-new Diablo install, as Extras doesn't ship enabled! I'd ask you to do a quick test for me: flash Diablo, open the Application Manager, refresh the application catalog, and tell me how many applications there are available. Then follow these instructions to enable Extras, refresh the application catalog and tell me how many applications there are? A lot more, yes? Well, those all came from Extras.

Alternatively, you can browse around the repository a bit directly then get back to me. . . .

Anyway, this thread has been derailed enough, please contact me directly or open a new thread if you have more questions.

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