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Originally Posted by namtastic View Post
True, but that's just trying to make it easier for the developer, not the user.
How do you mean? Either the developer has to arrange translations by the translation team or the developer has to arrange a graphics artist who makes the icon. You can translate bad, and you can pick a bad icon.

Not just that, but like you said, you have to *learn* the action. Once you've learned it, the icons are only reminders for something you already know what to do.
Exactly. A power button usually has the power symbol on it. My TV has that. My coffee machine has that. My laptop has that. My speakers have that. And so on. My old speakers do not have that btw:

http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/...471771-330.jpg (click to view)

Now I ask you: what is more logic? And don't we now by now that if the button is pushed inwards, that it is on? Do you notice the colour of the button? All the other buttons and knobs are grey and black.

I'll keep you pondering what the right button 'automatic' does.

The power symbol is just like BlueTooth a symbol with wide brand recognition. RSS same. Back too. Forward too. Trash too.

The most important use here is teaching new users new interactions the first time using it, and these icons aren't doing the job.
Icons never do such job unless they already have brand recognition. Teaching this is the job of the documentation.

Tap on the top-most bar (with the time/network/etc. on it). Works system-wide.
Doesn't work here with firmware 2.2.1.

Funny enough, I JUST figured this out today and it has a lot to do with ergonomics. It's because when I am scrolling up, my swipes are not as straight as when they are going down.
This is very interesting.

Simultaneously, Fennec does NOT take into consideration that most people can't pefectly drag straight up and down -- you can see this when you try to flick-scroll when zoomed in: the page will slightly shift left or right at the same time (being right-handed, it's to the right for me). It's impossible to drag a page down without shifting it slightly.
True. This is also interesting, and not easy to solve. My first response would be that anything between a 315 and 45 radius from the starting point is a swipe to up. Anything between 45 and 135 is a swipe to right. Anything between 135 and 225 is a swipe to down. Anything between 225 and 315 is a swipe to left.

I understand your experience because I experienced it as well but because I know how the gestures work and because I know their meaning I am not surprised by it anymore.

BTW, the original Mac OS HIG has a lot to stay about how menu panels are triggered and kept open on a curve because users don't ever move on perfect vert/horiz paths. If you've ever had a hard time moving from menu panel A to menu sub-panel B, it's because someone was too strict about that movement and didn't allow room for error.
Yes, like browsing the Start Menu in Windows

There's definitely a lesson for Fennec to learn there if they want to make the flick-scrolling feel natural since they've added these left and right panels to dragging a page around.
Maybe we can give feedback once we agree (or have weeded out) the arguments. What do you say about the compass description I gave? Does it make sense? Is it too limited?
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