Gestures are also used in conversations and meetings. They're very useful. Although I can't find a good English website about it... http://www.lichaamstaal.com/english/...l?meeting.html

That is what it means here too. We use 'x' or 'v' or a circle around the option for that here. Usually it tells you what to do in the description, with an example. Last time I made such a test was recently during an IQ test. Conveniently, it also explained me I should not try to make sure the whole checkbox was filled because that'd take too much time.

True, but it is something to capitalize on. Because this marked is young it is also something to perhaps set standards on there where there aren't standards. I'm referring to UI hence HIG standards; not W3C or ISO.

Yes, here too on the printer. It has both. This also teaches the user the meaning of the icon. Or it teaches the user the meaning of the English word power. Japanese people are not able to speak English. But they can read it just fine.

Oh! The way I saw it was like a '1' and a '0' in one symbol, with the round not complete, but if you take the '1' away it is complete. This represents, to me this: != (IsNot). I forgot the name of it.

Yes, or documentation in general, or getting the user to the documentation. The video is not text btw.

Ah yes, with it dark from light (black to light grey) this seems like a shadow. So you know in which direction it goes.

I see. I had it before, but I thought what I'd do was drag that bar from top to down. Because it is very small. Since I enabled Dock after jailbreak this didn't function anymore because now this was a sunburst gesture.

This becomes very complicated. Especially when keeping in mind the different resolutions and devices. This is landscape, but there are also portrait devices such as mobile phones with touchscreens. In that regard the chance you want to merely scroll from left to right on the screen is small. If there is no scrollbar visible it is 0. (Here I assume Fennec developers will implement a translucent scrollbar.) This is also not explained by the picture when you fire up Fennec. And it'd be hard to explain it.

That the bar pops up quickly, and is there fully, while the rest disappears again is also not logic. This has to be changed, but I don't know what the intention is. You could indeed explain the user to swipe harder instead. But maybe all the user wanted was the location bar. Which is then not usable. If you had multitouch you could use a second finger to touch the location bar. But lets be realistic here: this is getting too complex for practical usage.

When compiling data for bug reports and feedback you have to be precise.

Not losing what you typed in a form after a crash is a great feature of Shiretoko. Crashing however, is not.

My point was not that it makes her experience invalid. Heck, by now there is a representable group of people who have used touch UIs. My point is merely that it scews her expectations. If we'd have a questionaire we'd make sure (using a box for crossing a 'v' or 'x') to differentiate those users who have previously used touch UIs from those who are new to touch UIs. And perhaps make sure we also leave room for the many middle grounds inbetween.

If the goal of Fennec was to be a clone of MobileSafari and have the same gestures then it'd be a very valid concern. Fennec however is not MobileSafari. Maybe some features of MobileSafari are better or make more sense. But we should give Fennec a chance. We should not try to clone MobileSafari. We should root a better product than MobileSafari. In my opinion it already has some nice benefits. Such as NoScript extension. This is what I say about RX-51 and Maemo 5 as well. We shouldn't make it an iPhone clone. We should learn from the good aspects of the iPhone and iPhoneOS instead. So that doesn't mean we suddenly ditch Hildon and start using GNUstep as base.

There is one goal of Fennec which is clearly different from MobileSafari. Fennec gives a full screen experience of the web site, but tries to make it easy for the user to get more control back. If you think of it this is great when you have web applications running. It is not good if you want to have oversight about page load, https, and quick access to buttons like 'fav', 'rss', 'back'. On the other hand if you read a few posts back I describe S60browser with all its texts about RSS and... my goodness. I can't even remember all the options it has. They're in Dutch too, while I normally browse in English and have OS in English except on my phone. Because Symbian is relatively well translated in Dutch.

So please, do not think I said the experience is invalid. That is not my opinion and not what I meant to express.