The hostility here about the 800 and the sudden leaping on the iphone as some kind of justification for it is hilarious!

The 800 is better than the 770, as an internet tablet, which we're often reminded is WHAT IT IS. The browsing experience is much smoother and faster. The internal upgrades will obviously offer opportunities for further expansions into other uses. The fact that people here feel "left behind" is sad, and perhaps because this forum is my first real contact with "the open source community" I shouldn't be surprised at some of the outbursts, but I am.

The iphone looks lovely - all apple products do. Battery life is something I'd be concerned about, having had an ipod for two years. It's bad enough your music running out in the middle of a train or plane ride without it meaning that you can't make that important phone call when you get there....

Also, even as a consumer/end user non programmer/developer, my over-riding impression of apple stuff is that they don't like you to add programs, hardware, anything to it - they like selling you a closed system with occassion software intergated updates. I would have thought that aspect alone would have kept many posters here on the 800 "side".

I think the biggest effect the iphone will have is on sales of ipods anyway!

Me persoanlly, I'm sick of my ipod battery draining so fast, can't be bothered to open it up and replace it (will probably become a removable hard drive backup for me now) - was going to look at getting a new one, but will get a couple of 4mg cards for the 800 and put music on that instead.