Agreed Nokia shipped my 5800 without OTA information, my N78 does have that info and I have updated it successfully twice using OTA.


The platform is the most successful smartphone platform in the world. It provides a huge amount of features with acceptable stability that others such as iphone OS and Rim etc haven't even come close to yet.

OPK and them have been quoted as saying that trying to sell mobiles in the US is like trying to sell mobiles to 4 people, there is very little flexibility. Look at the crippled e62, the e71x the 6682 the n75 the 6650. These are all phone released by ATT and crippled beyond usability (e71x is supposedly useable).

Before the Apple App store Winmo, Symbian and Palm were all on independent distribution systems. Apple with its iTunes lock in model perfected, came in and shook up the market. They had perfected revenue share with content distributors from large to small indies before so the App store was easier for them to set up. Ovi store will probably not be as good as the App store but at least its better than what was out there before.

The old Symbian Series 60 was a haven for cracked software pirates and had become a target for viruses. Symbian-Signed was an attempt at providing some kind of security system. It's flawed but there is a process to it, installing a virus or malware is definitely the users fault.


Nokia Messaging Beta (nokia email) offers a free push email solution, it does work I use it every day. Gmail has a native app that runs well on the 5800.

There is a difference between released and available on the grey market. Of course you can buy any Nokia phone here, but there are actually not that many Nokia phones released other than S60 high end phones. When you look at s40 probably 1/10 of those phones make it over here to the US.



I grew up in Zimbabwe and there is better 3G (hell and 2G) service in the city of Harare then there is here in NYC where I live. NYC has the highest population density of any American city and 3G speeds and coverage on ATT is a well known joke. Personally I think the problem is cost cutting by the big providers, whenever my friends from UK and South Africa visit they are shocked when they can't get a signal in my apartment in the heart of Manhattan.

Nit picking aside, the 5800 is what it is, a $275 touchscreen phone, which makes it one of the cheapest (if not the cheapest) touch screen phone available in the US. As a long time Symbian user I obviously find it easier to get into than Ryan and its easily my favorite s60 since the E70. I'm looking forward to the Rx-51 and maemo 5 but until then the 5800 and my N810 will be a nice combination to carry.