I forgot about the others already out that seem to be on par with this class of devices that seem to be doing far more then just music play back like the Zune HD, it doesnt have "HD" but it has an OLED screen among other great features, http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/...&tag=mncol;lst I wonder once the Zune hits store shelves if there will be a shift in sales from this category since the touch (was at least for awhile the main device that could do it all) enticed mainstream consumers along with its killer (just a crap load of them really) apps and easy UI... not any more I guess.

other two:

http://reviews.cnet.com/portable-vid...&tag=mncol;lst

http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/...?tag=mncol;lst

what do you guys think...