@fms:

I agree that the 5800 might be a commercial success on Europe, but IMHO and based on what I see as a reference (Spain data), Nokia does not lead the pack, It is Samsung with its Touchwiz in the mid-end (It is seen everywhere among the non-geeks), LG, RIM, and Apple offerings (again non-geeks but with deeper pockets), with HTC being marginal (WinMo really doesn't make it here). The low-end is mostly Nokia's, due to what Texrat stated some pages ago (very broad portfolio, probably too much). The high-end, is Apple, Samsung, Nokia, others...

It is the trends that are worrying...

Fact is that Nokia is still making its commercial results stand against competition with models that noone will want in 6 months (non-touch, s603rd).

As for the UI/usability/etc..:

What I was trying to explain, regarding the UI for my previous post, is not that the site loaded up slowly or wrongly, It indeed had to do with the UI... I clicked "Quote and reply", then clicked on the listbox to edit the initial QUOTE I made. All things ok until this step.

Then, the well-known sms/text editing screen of s605th appears, and I start to insert my comments into it. Seems that nobody tested this functionality with a text longer than some concat SMSs, either, because I can tell you that It was nightmare, It even came to a point where all the text dissapeared and I thought that the last 10 minutes of work in the post were gone... Funnily, I click the "Ok" icon, returned to the page and the text was still there in the listbox, I clicked again on it and only minor changes were lost... Phew!

This is another usability or reliability scenario I can come up with regarding the 5800 or S60 5th, but there are many others... Have you tried to use Maps and browse web at the same time? The thing randomly asks you to shut down 3G connections... I wonder myself... Doesn't "true multitasking" imply that I can reuse existing open connections, or at least allow for any number of them? To my taste, this also needs someone at Symbian to look into it, agree?

...Or maybe the random shutdowns of the builtin browser when loading heavy pages, which Opera Mini also experiences.

...Or the annoying bug I currently am suffering with the onscreen buttons while on a call, that won't let you touch any of them unless you "unlock" the device for a second time...

S60 3rd on my N95 8GB was much more polished and functional, IMO. And It worked, at least to the degree that you could get from it, you had no big screen to work on the web, for instance, so you didn't. But if I am blessed with a 640x360 one, I will try to make my phone an extension of my normal behaviour, i.e.: get connected, use gps, and so on. And to my <b>personal</b> experience, 5th edition fails here.

:rant
Anyhow, If these gadgets are advertised as mini computers, no? So what's the point of spending a small fortune on them if there are so many "not intended usage case"...?
:/rant



I know I may sound like a Nokia basher, but It is far from the truth, I am actually one of those many Nokia customers that expect a 180 turn from them, the sooner the better.