Man, if you want me to lay fresh, steamy piles of noxious substance all around Symbian/S60 and Nokia in general, I can do it with equal ease. Let us see... Lack of user support for many phone models, meager RAM amounts not suitable for running heavy duty apps, dead slow user interface in many phones (not so much in 5800 though), application installer that screws up its own state files when used frequently, unusable keyboards in current models, the dreadful certificate scheme that achieves nothing while incoinviniencing app developers, etc. etc. But I am never going to criticize Nokia/S60 for not being Apple/iPhone or Palm/Pre like these guys in the thread appear to do. Capiche?