Thanks zerojay! You seem to be a take the lead type, and I like that. I thought this thread was all about trying to make that happen. Most of us outsiders come from the school of thought that if you mention any needed feature or app idea, it gets implemented, but as you can see that isn't the case. So how DO you get things done here? Which developers should I talk to here? I'm a Symbian cat, and this is you guy's world, and we're just trying to be heard. Who are the leaders? I know now an open thread isn't enough, though I don't see why not. Isn't Nokia, Maemo devs, and the world watching? Should I just table it with my small group of Maemo devs in my own community instead? I'm confused on the entire purpose of this forum as a whole after today. Its seeming like mostly discord and time wasting.