I think we can yell it from the top of our lungs and it's just not going to matter with someone like him, unfortunately. It's all stuff that we've explained time and time again and instead of him saying "well, they're making efforts to open things further"... Nokia and the community get accused of being against free software. Everyone here... especially you, Quim... would ideally want everything to be open source. The reality of the situation is that it isn't always possible for one reason or another and I wish he would understand that, or at least accept it and not go nuts on us suddenly. It's no excuse for being so disrespectful though, even if he was towards us. Still, dealing with him is better than being accused of backroom deals and corporate takeovers.