I would think if you are looking for a N810, you would have to limit the cost to what N810's are currently going for? I.E - I can't see paying 5 bills for the ViiV S5!!! I'll take a larger Dell refurbed Eseries screamer machine for that price. What people are paying for the N900 is crazy, IMO. Have you tried Mer? I'm close to being a fanboy of mer, if they can get the Ubuntu apps integrated correctly (and I don't mind some command line instructions), I can see me keeping my N810 active until the N900 comes down under two hondo, refurbed or used. I want NO cell contract, Net10 serves me fine there... Also, somebody needs to list what Ubuntu apps work smoothly on the N810. Personally, I think the N810 has enough power, but lacks efficient software. Maybe my 2 cents is actually worth .2 cents....