I never said that ALL developers where being ignored. But apparently some developers have been. If we have devs in the top 50 apps that haven't been targeted; then their is a problem. 300 devices @ maemo summit and 180 devices in the device program. Easily half of that should have been targeted at devs. Let me put it this way; Anderson Lizardo (INdt) has 195 Karma. Now, he probably got a pre-production device long before us just because of what they do. But being purely based on Karma, you don't think the developers of PyMaemo should have been targetted. Do you understand the point I'm trying to make. He (& his team) fortunately do have devices (I assume) -- but the karma will eliminate developers who don't post a lot. And it will eliminate developers who work on underpinnings since they only "users" of that will be other developers. Do you see the problem that we are trying to raise? Nathan.