i left buy.com when they told me 1 day after my order that the eta was pushed back to middle of november. i went to pcconnection.com and pre-ordered from them on 10/14/2009 and am in thier first 10 orders and they have ordered more than that from nokia. and they told me tonight that they do not know the exact date that they will recieve them but thier last information from nokia was in october. good feelings