Personally, I will have no further interest in this thread after I post the happy news that my device has arrived. For me, I do not usually get news until after almost everyone already knows about it. I am not likely to catch the press release until at the earliest the next day (unless it is posted in a forum somewhere that I look at like this one). I post for the benefit of others like me and at the moment the most reliable information I can receive is from the company that I preordered from and wish to share it since all nokia gives people is vague time frames. I am just trying to help those who are getting answers like mid November, or the best one the link/or/copy and past from nokia's online store which is as informative as a stop sign to a blind person.

regards,
Blackwolf13