Where have you been getting these times *from*? On all of the official Nokia sites I've looked at, it's *always* just been along the lines of "late X", "tentative november", etcetera.

Other places have obviously been giving all sorts of funny dates, but that's because they want your preorder (and then hope and pray that the date becomes fact) - not because they have insider information on when it's going to be, and obviously, it doesn't work to give a date that is in the past.

Obviously my view of this is somewhat tainted, as I've primarily been checking Nokia UK, but I've also wandered around Nokia Finland, and a few of the other local stores, and I've never seen *any* officially released hard date.