When NokiaUSA, both via phone, live chat and email say end of Sept, then first of Oct, then mid Oct, then end of Oct, now Nov, then finally with Peter saying sometime during Nov, I believe any intelligent person will realize that's an official date hence being from the official company who designed and manufactured the device, even more so since the people telling you this actually work for Nokia ( doesn't mean they know what they are talking about, but that's not the point...they work for Nokia, thus if they don't know the date they shouldn't be giving out theoretical dates on maybe when it'll be released. ).