Yeah I know. I call them a few times and they always tell me that they will ship 2nd week of november, it might be at the end of the second week so that correspond to november 15th as they probably do not ship on week end. I am from Canada and they don't accept order from other Country. In Canada there is no date set that's mean over 6 months or years... I bought mine from ebay that's coming from nokia usa apparently the day after they are out. Everybody is waiting desperetly for that phone