bocaJ and Cherrypie sum it up pretty well for me. Now having said that, I'll go off on a slight tangent. Somehow the word "consumer" always bothered me. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I really feel like it comes with a lot of preconceptions attached. It always seemed like it was weird to classify people as "consumers" when in fact lots of them are contributing to Maemo in some way or another. Or maybe they're just users right now, but in the right circumstances they might get motivated to learn to program, or do a translation, design a UI or even just help others. I can't help but feel like this constant chrous of "consumers this" "consumers that" is selling people short and setting low expectations for them. I really don't know what to call them instead of "consumers" though. I've been thinking about a couple terms, but I think the most catchy one I've come up with is "people." Sorry to be off topic in your thread, matthewcc, especially since I think it's a worthwhile discussion. -John