ysss I hear where you are coming from, but there is another way to look at this, and that is that the only way to change the "Fanaticism " is from the inside. The Community is about getting involved, Release Early Release Often is about getting involved from the inside, and as the developers without devices have found, you can only get so far without a device. Its not about overlooking the short comings, but without a device its pretty hard to identify them for real, and then helping out to fix them or change them. I'm not suggesting that you cant get involved without a device but its probably a fact of life that membership requires ownership if not at least access to a device. Mike C