Oh dear. But I have to say it.. tee hee! I feel very sorry to the people who believed what the customer service people were reading from screens. It remainds me that Amazon swore blind to me that the phone would ship on the 2nd - just 48 hours before changing their minds. It's like that. I knew better than to believe them. The reality is: Initial date was set for 26th Oct. Nokia realised they weren't going to make that. Peter gave us a date of 'November'. Last I looked, it's still November, no? He also said that we would know from Nokia itself when devices leave the factory. And that devices are not going to magically appear in shops. Now, unfortunately, Nokia UK is actually no more than a retail arm of Nokia. I had a 'Nokia' employee tell me on the 31st Oct that he could supply one, according to the screen he was reading, immediately. He also told me it had to be returned to Nokia (being too complex for the local experts) every single time it needs a firmware update. That was about when I realised just how much he knew about what he was talking about. Drones on Sales phone-lines repeat what is on the screen. Optimistic people in warehouses might put their best guess on the screen. But Nokia themselves have said only 'November'. They haven't lied to us. Except that someone did say that they're 'hopeful' for November at one of the flagship store events, which means they may need to set it back again. I find myself wondering whether the certainty about the 9th actually came because someone at Nokia UK (sales) read it here and saw how certain the people here were... The device will ship when it ships. Hopefully during November.