Guys, guys, don't let's get into a religious debate. There is much fundamentalism on both sides, and it's an argument no-one will win (Says the person doing a MSc in transpersonal psychology).

I do want to take some responsibility for this mess though. I didn't realise that the user was so unstable when I engaged him in debate - trying to make him see that his perception of this place as unwelcoming and having a bad attitude was more to do with his own stuff and posting style than the forum. If I was part of what wound him up to java-pitch, I'm sorry. I won't do it again. I really do know better than to feed the trolls. (it had been a trying day...)

Sorry