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Originally Posted by christexaport View Post
That is your opinion. There is only one Almighty God, and I've seen no evidence to the contrary. He has strict instructions on how to live our lives, and this is the definition of religion as I speak it. And its for all man that chooses Him.
Wow, that is just so cliché. And I thought you zealots had been buried a long time ago. Just because you don't have evidence to the contrary doesn't mean something exists.

I'll use one of Bertrand Russel's analogies for this, as it is quite appropriate with your arguments:

Originally Posted by Bertrand Russel
If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.
I would even go further, and quote Ockham's touchy little sentence: "entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem". In other words: as there is no absolute possibility to prove either the existence of a supreme being, or its non-existence, the obvious solution is the simplest one: there is no supreme being.

Originally Posted by christexaport View Post
So if I can predict a historical event from the 20th century down to the exact year using just the Bible, would that not be proof? I'd take bets if it weren't a religious subject. I love showing people that, unlike the Quran, Book of Mormon, and other "holy" books, only the Bible is devine. Its the only one that exhibits supernatural powers no other book has.
If you could, that would be quite interesting. Yet, you are as arrogant as all religious people who dare get into such conversation, and immediately diss other religious books. How can a book exhibit supernatural powers? Does it float around your house? Does it do your dishes? Do you jump on it twice and it teleports you to another galaxy? If you rub it gently, does it moan under your tender palms and psalms?

You have no proof. Other than being another person with a twisted inflection on something which was written by hundreds of people, translated by dozens (hence, the original meaning must be quite far from what we have now). The Bible itself is full of mistakes and contradictions. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created, and how satisfied God is about the results of his labors. The flood story is really two interwoven stories that contradict each other on how many of each kind of animal are to be brought into the Ark--is it one pair each or seven pairs each of the "clean" ones? The Gospel of John disagrees with the other three Gospels on the activities of Jesus Christ (how long had he stayed in Jerusalem--a couple of days or a whole year?) and all four Gospels contradict each other on the details of Jesus Christ's last moments and resurrection. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ's father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father. Repetitions and contradictions are understandable for a hodgepodge collection of documents, but not for some carefully constructed treatise, reflecting a well-thought-out plan.

Pretty holy, that book of yours, eh? Or maybe you'll choose to ignore all the horrible things that are said in it? Do you carefully choose to ignore the passages where plainly, it is pure horror that is displayed?

Originally Posted by The Book of Judges, Chapter 19
And he said unto him, We are passing from Beth-lehem-judah toward the side of mount Ephraim; from thence am I: and I went to Beth-lehem-judah, but I am now going to the house of the Lord; and there is no man that receiveth me to house.

Yet there is both straw and provender for our asses; and there is bread and wine also for me, and for thy handmaid, and for the young man which is with thy servants: there is no want of any thing.

And the old man said, Peace be with thee; howsoever, let all thy wants lie upon me; only lodge not in the street.

So he brought him into his house, and gave provender unto the asses: and they washed their feet, and did eat and drink.

Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.

Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.

But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.
In other words, a man accepts a stranger into his house, and offers him food and a roof. Then other men come to the house and demand to see the stranger. The owner refuses to present the stranger, but in order to appease their anger, offers his daughter -- a virgin -- and the maid, in sacrifice.

Oh, yeah, your book is all too easy to defend now, is it?

Originally Posted by christexaport View Post
I don't find the battle endless, and don't see it as a battle at all. I'll hush you up in a second. I'm just offering you a chance to learn. You don't have to accept, but you have to suffer the consequence of ignoring the Truth.
That's where you're wrong. I am free to ignore whatever I please. As you can read above, I am not completely ignorant on the matter. I have studied the Bible, as most of my family is religious, and they have passed a good deal of their beliefs through me, however, that doesn't mean I have to believe.

Originally Posted by christexaport View Post
I accept people of all faiths, but only subscribe to the one laid out in the Bible.
You don't accept other faiths. You just said earlier their books weren't holy, thus you just downgraded their "belief" to an infantile foreplay before they come to realise "Your Truth".

I don't mind the occasional Religious War, but seriously, with that kind of convictions?
 

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