Actually, I was hoping you all would just send your ATm cards with the PIN #. You are correct in your assessment of my junior status, and i bow to your seniorness. But, really I do not look to inflame anyone, I am posting a finding of a case that I feel would benefit others. I posted to get some feedback to see if others would be intrested, I know I have looked on this site since the N800 release for possible cases that aren't too big or too flimsy , and have until now had no luck. But hay, I'm just a junior member so what the hell would I know. So, I'll just keep my case to my selfish self. If I were to sell it, It would be through ebay and paypal would be the only payment accepted and only to confirmed addresses. i am way to suspicious of people and want to cover my you know what. Anyway, spam away.........