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jjx	2009-11-24 , 23:24
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Originally Posted by kanishou

Calm down. He is just overly picky. Yes there are checkered patterns, that is because the browser prioritises to render your view right away, instead of waiting for most of the page to be rendered. Of course it will pre-render the remaining page as soon as possible, but it can't always be instant. Also, sometimes a cached rendering will be swapped out or invalidated, e.g. when you zoom in. If you scroll really fast, the browser won't have a cache yet and show you the pattern instead. However, just waiting for a second will allow it to catch up again.

Yup, but that means (in the posted video) you can't actually see where you've scrolled to, to stop the kinetic scrolling at the right place.

I noticed in the video that one web page was particularly slow to draw at one point in the scroll, but there wasn't much to draw. I expect that will be fixed soon, or fixed in an alternative browser.

Perhaps the iPhone 3GS browser is better at avoiding this, but then the iPhone browser doesn't offer you full desktop-capability rendering at near full desktop resolution.

Full desktop capability - doesn't it? The iPhone browser looks quite desktopy to me. What's missing?

Regarding resolution: yes, but on the other hand it's hardware accelerated rendering (or should be), and it turns out that resolution isn't much of a factor, because the bottleneck tends to be geometry, logic and poly/blit counts once the pixel operations are happening on high speed 3d hardware. So I'd expect the higher resolution to have little effect if the browser rendering is hardware accelerated for it's basic operations.

Scrolling speed in general can be described as smooth, maybe not "silky smooth". We are talking about differences like comparing 25 FPS to 30 FPS. Calling it "jerky" would be beyond unreasonable.

I agree, it's not jerky.

But (again from the video, and I appreciate Youtube adds it's own special distortion), it looks like the difference between 20fps and 50fps.

Some people cannot tell the difference at all, while others are acutely sensitive to it. It seems to be an eyesight/brain thing.

That said, are any of the other phones really that much better at scrolling in the browser? Even the last iPhone I saw (actually an iPod touch, but they are the same thing virtually) would stutter when you pushed the scrolling too hard.

The video of the ball game, assuming it's not been (insert term for photoshopping a video

) shows the N900 can render full-screen scenes very smoothly when it's asked nicely.

Frankly, I think it is a bit silly to pretend to speak for the "average user" at this time, when the device is actually available. Why don't we let the average user decide for themselves? If you are keeping and even enjoying the device, I find it fairly disingenuous to use catchy headlines like "yes, it sucks", which needlessly make potential users nervous.

I found the thread very informative and might not have noticed without the catchy title.

But I agree it may make potential users overly nervous.

I expect in the end a lot of new users won't have used an iPhone or Android phone, and won't be expecting a miracle device (after all there's not a lot of marketing for it around!), so they'll be pleased with a lot of it's nice features.

And in my experience, every phone I've ever had has been totally disappointing for the first 2 weeks while I bump into limitations and bugs, until I get used to ignoring those and using the useful bits.

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